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		I am looking for a shotgun for my boy that will be turning 12 in January.  I came across shotguns made by Charles Daly.  This is the link to the site: [url "http://www.charlesdaly.com/html/products/firearms/shotguns/pump/pump.asp"]http://www.charlesdaly.com/html/products/firearms/shotguns/pump/pump.asp[/url] 
  
I am looking at the youth models for him.  Does anyone know anything about these guns, good or bad.. 
  
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		I have heard they are pretty good for the price you pay.  This last spring I bought a Stoeger Condor O/U that I absolutely love!  I think they have youth model shotguns as well.  I understand they are part of Benelli.  When my boy turned 12, I haunted the pawn shops til I found a youth model Remington 870 20-gauge.  21" barrel, choke tubes, very light weight.  I think I paid $160 and it was perfect except for a very minor flaw in the stock.  This is a great youth gun because you can use both 2 3/4" and 3" shells and shoot anything that flies.  Until I got my Stoeger which came with a 20ga. & 12ga. barrel set ($400), I often used it for grouse hunting.  Something to think about.  Mr. J.
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		I've heard that brand is very low quality.  You'd be better off with a Remington 12 gauge 870 Express or some other equivalent gun.. You can usually get them for a little more than $200 brand new, and they're a reliable gun.  Mossberg has some good beginner guns that are good quality too.
 
 I wouldn't buy it for me or for my kid.
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		Just like any other item out there everyone has an opinion.  I have heard both really good and really bad and everything between.  I do not own one but I have shot one of their semiauto's.  I really did not like the fit or the shooting of it.  The action was sloppy and overall I was not impressed.  Now if the thing never freezes and repels swamp mud nicely I might think differently.   I have a mossberg maverick88 and for the 125.00 I spent on it the gun has been mostly flawless, it too is a bit noisy and sloppy.  I also have a remington express mag and it shoots great as well, real tight not so sloppy and less noisey.
 
 I am looking for a youth model as well.  I will be hitting the pawn shops for a single shot break action in a 28 or .410 for my soon to be 8 year old.  If you do get a youth model new for the kiddo make sure you can adjust it that way it will last longer and make sure he holds it and it fits him well.
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		Hey OEJ I also own a Mossberg Maverick, but I think mine is the 91 Maverick.  Does yours hold 3 1/2" shells?  Mine does, and I must say they are a BLAST to shoot, although if you shoot a box all at once your arm will pay for it later.  lol  [cool]
 
 I love that gun, it's been very good to me.  I got it used at Gunnies in Orem 8 years ago for I belive $180 or thereabouts.
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		Thanks for all of the comments, I am just trying to get the feelers out so that I can decide what to do.  I think I may take my boy to sportmans or Payson sports and have him fitted to see what size of gun he should be shooting.  Then I may surf the pawn shops also too what I can find.  I am planning on getting it for X-mas for him so I have some time to shop around.
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		It will only do 3" and I think I picked it up a t agrats sale for under 100.00, retail now is about 150.00 for them.  Cant beat them up enough and you really do get a thumping.
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		Another place you might want to check is Van Wagenen's (Norm's) in Orem.  It is located on State Street at approx. 600 South or maybe a bit farther south, on the East side of the street.  It's a pawn shop that over half the store is dedicated to guns.  I bought my 30'06 there a long time ago for a great price.  He sells tons of shotguns too.
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		I was planning on go there.  Back when they were in Provo I bought mymy 1st rifle with them as well and I still own it too.   I guess I just need to be patient and find the best deal on the best gun for him.  Also I plan on passing this gun to my other kids when they are able to shoot.
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